In 1961, author James Baldwin sat down with Studs Terkel to discuss his collection of essays, "Nobody Knows My Name: More Notes of a Native Son." Their conversation delved deeply into the anguish of the black experience in America.

Listen to a brief excerpt from their conversation on how white people never truly "see" black people, and "what terrible price this country has paid" for its racism:

 

Later in their conversation, the author discusses the particular tragedy of many well-meaning white people, many of whom are unwilling to truly reckon with the anguish of the black experience in America. Listen: