Jane Kennedy talks about her political views and her view of society as a whole. She also discusses her experience in an all women's prison and how the prison system dehumanizes the inmates.

Interviewing Timothy Leary.

Studs interviews Dr. Timothy Leary about the three stages of the psychadelic experience: turning on, tuning in, and dropout. Leary discusses how his life changed from being a successful psychologist and professor at Harvard to renewing his life as a religious teacher. He shares how the drug LSD is used in the tribal communities who turn on and also explains the values of those who practice turning on. Leary also describes other methods used to turn on, which he considers a religious experience. Studs reads what Richard Goldstein said about Dr. Leary.

The Southern Baptist minister and civil rights activist joins Studs to talk about his book, Brother to a Dragonfly, and to reflect on the loss of his brother Joe.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations