Discussing the opera "Hydrogen Jukebox," with poet Allen Ginsberg and composer Philip Glass.

Zen Buddhism, explains Watts, offers a change in one's basic consciousness and of one's basic existence. Zen is a way of liberation from the illusion of oneself. It's not just about the inside of one's self but it's about the outside, too. Zen is not something exotic. It needn't be imported from Japan, said Watts.

The Chicago writer tells Studs of the seventeen-month ordeal of searching for his missing grandson, as further described in his book, Where is Joey?: Lost Among the Hare Krishnas.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations