The anti-apartheid activist and South African politician joins Studs to discuss her opposition to the policies of most of her colleagues in Parliament. The program begins with a lengthy clip from a 1962 interview with another anti-apartheid activist, Albert John Luthuli.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations 

Albert John Luthuli, President of the African National Congress, Nobel Peace Prize winner, and Zulu Chief, discusses politics of South Africa. The interview includes discussions about his early life and education, and his teaching career, becoming chief of the Zulus, and working as the President of the African National Congress. He also explains his thoughts on peaceful methods of fighting against discrimination and apartheid in South Africa.