Discussing the book "On Distant Ground: A Novel" (published by Knopf) with the author Robert Olen Butler.

When Frederick Busch wrote his book, "Long Way from Home," he wanted to understand, How does a mother leave her child? To Busch, fiction is people in motion trying to find a dream or people in motion, running away from a nightmare.

Content Warning: This conversation includes racially and/or culturally derogatory language and/or negative depictions of Black and Indigenous people of color, women, and LGBTQI+ individuals. Rather than remove this content, we present it in the context of twentieth-century social history to acknowledge and learn from its impact and to inspire awareness and discussion. Unlike Disney's Donald Donald, this "Donald Duk" is 12-year-old boy who hates his last name and who hates his Chinese background and culture. Chin, also spends time going over characters from his book.

Program also includes an excerpt of a reading from Bernard Shaw's "Don Juan in Hell".