An Episcopal priest, Thomas Hayes, talks about the Vietnam War deserters who fled to Stockholm. Unlike Canada, Sweden offered asylum and publicly welcomed resisters. According to Thomas, the men who went to Stockholm worked jobs and some took classes. Thomas also explained that the deserters never put down those who were fighting in the war.

Canadian poet and novelist Margaret Atwood discusses her poetry and her first novel, “Surfacing,” focusing on the novel’s symbolism and the themes of nature, religion and memory. She compares life, attitudes, and politics in Canada with those of the United States.

Writer Dan Wakefield discusses his book “Supernation at Peace and War” with Studs Terkel. Further discussion is had over civil unrest, draft dodging, and social injustices during the Vietnam War.