As founder of the watchdog group, Common Cause, and as Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW) under President Lyndon Johnson, Gardner was a strong advocate for citizen participation and service. Here, he emphasizes the need to fight back against the widespread apathy of the times.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations 

Helene Schwartz Kenvin joins Studs to discuss her autobiography, Lawyering. As she describes it, she did not initially want to be a lawyer, but was drawn to the profession after witnessing so much unfairness in a nation of laws.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations