Experimental filmmaker and poet Willard Maas and his friend John Dubay discuss experimental films and filmmaking, part 1 of 2. His friend John Dubay speaks briefly in part 1 of the interview, but is more prominently featured in part 2.

According to Stan Brakhage, being a cinematographer is being a writer of movement. Here, he talks with Studs about film and magic, and always finding new techniques to make pictures move.*Please note: some sections have been edited out from the original recording due to copyright considerations