After having spent 40 years and 27 years, respectively, both Bill “Popeye” Stuart and Lowell Fentress first talk about getting drunk on seeing a living tree in person, upon their release from prison. Both Stuart and Fentress agree there can be no rehabilitation of an inmate in prison while the prison culture is nothing but repression. They also talk about crooked guards that traffic drugs and about the gangs taking over the prisons.