Content Warning: This conversation includes racially and/or culturally derogatory language and/or negative depictions of Black and Indigenous people of color, women, and LGBTQI+ individuals. Rather than remove this content, we present it in the context of twentieth-century social history to acknowledge and learn from its impact and to inspire awareness and discussion. Discussing the book "By Design: Why there are no locks on the bathroom doors in the Hotel Louis XIV, and other object lessons" with designer and author Ralph Caplan. Includes an interview with George Nelson.

George Nelson discusses his impression of industrial design in Brasilia ,Russia, and American Main Street and how business is prioritized over what is better for people.