The interview continues with Father John McKenzie and Dr. Howard Schomer talking about fear and dissent. Schomer says Christians have the duty to dissent when they believe their beliefs are being contradicted by policy. He also talks about not understanding a dampening down of the human mind when it comes to human issues. Father McKenzie adds that society is the best educated ignoramuses that ever existed.
Studs interviews Dr. Timothy Leary about the three stages of the psychadelic experience: turning on, tuning in, and dropout. Leary discusses how his life changed from being a successful psychologist and professor at Harvard to renewing his life as a religious teacher. He shares how the drug LSD is used in the tribal communities who turn on and also explains the values of those who practice turning on. Leary also describes other methods used to turn on, which he considers a religious experience. Studs reads what Richard Goldstein said about Dr. Leary.